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Either you have a much more vivid imagination than most or your dreams must suck if I'm being honest. There is a major difference in experience for my system.

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yep. that makes sense because most of the reason lucid dreaming is popular is because it sounds really cool on paper, like, you're a god of your own world, until you realise you could do that while awake your whole life and nobody does because it's about as interesting as real life anyway but most 'lucid dreamers' don't lucid dream much so the idea is kinda dangled in front of them like this magical possibility, but they experience it too sparsely to get used to it and find it less entertaining

In our experience both dreams and imagination are experiences that are different from mundane life and have pros and cons that we try to get the most out of all together. I wouldn't call any of them better or worse than the others, just different and interesting on their own.

10:29 PM

At the very least lucid dreams offer you more to do compared to blackout sleep, thus giving you more time in life although certainly different and all internal experiences you can't take out of the brain. That applies to many tulpamancy things too though. Back on subject, I don't think the subjective quality of lucid dreams takes away from whether they would fit as a guide category or not. People will still want and make guides anyways and use them in tulpamancy practices.

why would it need its own guide? let alone its own section of guides? it all seems quite simple to me. you lucid dream, and be plural in the lucid dream, and do whatever you want...

That just isn't how it works for most people. You admit to having many natural lucid dreams and probably have naturally gotten most control out of it. For most others, they need advise on how to trigger lucid dreams, how to maintain lucid dreams, what you can and can't do in lucid dreams, techniques for how to do things in lucid dreams. There are people on the forum right now who are still learning and struggling to get their tulpas into their dreams. It really isn't as simple as you are making it out to be, or as I suspect as simple as it is for you in particular.

what i meant was, there's already lucid dreaming guides that these people are using, so i don't get how anything else would be needed on .info

It would be to have them in one place for others who may want them in the future plus it would encourage writing of more guides in relation to tulpamancy too.

it probably wouldn't have any significant effect on the amount of guides produced unless you'd write one yourself on the topic and if you do that, i guess the section will have, what, one guide in it?

I already have a pdf of a LD guide made by a tulpamancer that I could submit to it. Not my guide but an older one from a member of TCen that's pretty good albeit a bit crude in humor at times.

11:17 PM

I wouldn't mind writing a guide either although it would be in the future

Other tulpamancers have submitted other people's guides before (giving that person credit). That would be fine

Astra 🕯

I love the way the new system is looking. One suggestion I have is to rename the Non English guides section to something like International or Foreign/Foreign language guides just to be a little less English centric. It's just a nitpick on my end though.

Luminesce: Calling things that aren't English "foreign" is the most English-centric thing you can do - nobody's language is "foreign" except in context where their language isn't expected! (edited)

4:48 AM

I think language tags should always just be labeled with their own language (although a category that separates them from the standard/expected English guides could be called "Foreign" or "Other Languages")

Sorry Ranger, bad timing to start typing, I just got back to reply to the lucid dreaming thing lol -

Calling the section "Other Language Guides" or "Guides in Other Languages" sounds nice to me

5:05 AM

It was brief so maybe the best timing

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yep. that makes sense because most of the reason lucid dreaming is popular is because it sounds really cool on paper, like, you're a god of your own world, until you realise you could do that while awake your whole life and nobody does because it's about as interesting as real life anyway but most 'lucid dreamers' don't lucid dream much so the idea is kinda dangled in front of them like this magical possibility, but they experience it too sparsely to get used to it and find it less entertaining

Luminesce: I'm convinced at this point that even "accomplished lucid dreamers" may just experience different levels of vividness in their lucid dreams, because you're far from the first person I've seen claim lucid dreams aren't much more interesting than imagination, and at least in-potential, you are completely wrong lol (edited)

5:06 AM

Lucid dreams have the potential to be more lifelike and immersive than even fully-immersed visualization during a trance

5:07 AM

Most random lucid dreams I've had I would put at "It felt like real life in the moment, but in retrospect there was far less detail and less engagement of my physical senses"

5:08 AM

But I've had a couple of lucid dreams (in both cases resulting from Wake Back To Bed aka going back to sleep after briefly being awake) with absolutely stunning visuals and ""lifelike"" immersion...

5:09 AM

Except, one single time when I took a lucid dreaming supplement and managed to actually fall back asleep after, I had a lucid dream that redefined how casually I would use "lifelike" in the future - I experienced a (series of, actually) dream that not only was as vivid to all my senses as real life, but also despite me having very little experience practicing dream control, was still relatively easily influenced by me like I was a Disney Princess making plants grow and animals gather with my singing or something lol

5:11 AM

So between these three vague levels of experience, I can safely say that the quality and immersion of a lucid dream can vary quite a bit - although I agree with Astra that you must either have awful lucid dream quality, or amazing visualization quality, because even my lamest lucid dreams were more engaging to my senses than I can imagine visualization being for myself outside of a serious meditative state (or trance I guess, no experience with that though)

5:12 AM

... All this to say, I agree that a lucid dreaming section is unnecessary on the forum. Tulpa-focused lucid dreaming content can go in the respective Q&A/Discussion/Guides sections, and the Dreamviews forum will always be incomparably better for those looking for baseline lucid dreaming guides and advice (and dream recall and so on as well)

5:14 AM

I am not interested in crappily recreating their masterpiece guides, in writing our own less useful ones, or in mirroring their links. Dreamviews (and I suppose any other resources) deserve to be linked to on their own

5:14 AM

At most I could agree with a permanent link to Dreamviews somewhere (Tulpa.info itself has always had one actually), but I think everyone who knows their stuff has mentioned "further reading on Dreamviews" every time they've discussed lucid dreaming in depth lol.

5:15 AM

Ew, Tulpa.info replaced its link to Dreamviews with a link to r/tulpas

I honestly have never touched or heard anyone outside of like a discussion five years ago mention dreamviews

@Pleeb The heck are you doing, why is the Reddit link to r/tulpas more prominent on Tulpa.info's main page than the forum?

Astra 🕯

I honestly have never touched or heard anyone outside of like a discussion five years ago mention dreamviews

Have you ever been linked a resource on lucid dreaming?

I'm not sure you realize how obscure Dreamviews is Lumi. I'm in multiple tulpa discords that are interested in lucid dreaming and I've not heard anyone mention them, ever.

Luminesce: A couple of very good standalone websites showed up like 5-8 years ago that show up first on google, and they're fine, but Dreamviews has always been the forum with decades of discussion-refined methods and advice (edited)

Only one time on the forum when reading through some years old conversations did I find a link there

Luminesce: No lucid dreaming community you're in is even half as old as Dreamviews, just saying (edited)

5:18 AM

But yes, as always forums have fallen out of fashion over the last 10 years

5:19 AM

Which is sad because realtime chats are horrible for information organization and preservation compared to forums, and while standalone websites written by a very knowledgeable person are the most accessible, they lack any means to evolve via community discussion

5:20 AM

It's not a stretch to say that ETWOLD and Dreamviews are the two most influential sources of lucid dreaming information that have had no competitors

5:21 AM

Every other community has piggybacked on their foundations (mainly because those two covered essentially everything imaginable, and all that's left is the still-somewhat-lacking physical science/research of our brains and bodies)

5:22 AM

I'd definitely recognize a source as equally as influential if it made huge breakthroughs in the science-of-the brain department.

I don't think Dreamviews's existence should stop us from having our own guides section on it, especially since alot of people will not give a big enough shit to make a new account for a new forum instead of just click a .info page regardless of the logic. It would more importantly be something we have for our own tulpamancy practices and techniques specifically.

Luminesce: You don't need an account to view Dreamviews guides or discussions, and if you did want to ask a question, we have far fewer experienced lucid dreamers on hand to answer those questions than Dreamviews (edited)

It isn't going to take all that much more effort to add the section so the guides don't just make the misc section longer. I don't see how there is a downside to having one regardless of if other places are better

Luminesce: I just don't think "tulpamancers" are ever going to make better guides than "lucid dreamers" (edited)

5:26 AM

There's a fair amount of member overlap between the two forums, but no one ever tried to make Tulpa.info the resource for lucid dreaming

5:27 AM

I do think if someone wanted to make a lucid dreaming guide (not about tulpas) specifically for Tulpa.info, there wouldn't be a particular place for it

5:28 AM

Guides is for tulpa-guides and Lounge has too many unimportant threads that would bury something important like a guide

5:28 AM

However, making a whole section for lucid dreaming implies we should be trying to fill it, and I just can't stand by that when Dreamviews has already done whatever we would do, but far better

5:29 AM

Also this may not have been inferable, but the subject of dreaming/lucid dreaming is one of my greatest passions in life, up there with tulpamancy

5:30 AM

They're the only two subjects I consider myself an actual expert in

You do realize there is plenty of potential guides that could be written for tulpamancy in lucid dreaming right? I feel like you're being a bit fanatical about a decision that doesn't really have a downside just because of your love for another forum.

Reisen

However, making a whole section for lucid dreaming implies we should be trying to fill it, and I just can't stand by that when Dreamviews has already done whatever we would do, but far better

Better because they have their entire forum dedicated to dream discussion, whereas a small lucid dreaming guides section on our forum would just be users creating their own guides without any community input/discussion, at least from our own forum - and if you're getting all your information from somewhere else, it's a little silly to put the guide only on Tulpa.info

Astra 🕯

You do realize there is plenty of potential guides that could be written for tulpamancy in lucid dreaming right? I feel like you're being a bit fanatical about a decision that doesn't really have a downside just because of your love for another forum.

Luminesce: Of course! Lucid dreaming guides about tulpamancy go right into the Guides section! (edited)

5:33 AM

I recently found and commented on this amazing guide from 2013 that I had no idea existed, and it was basically everything I ever thought I might put into a guide one day: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/6419-a-guide-on-lucid-dreaming-and-tulpas-v11/

A guide on Lucid Dreaming and Tulpas (v1.1)

V1.1 Updates: Restructured the lucid dream guide. Made various additions to avoid confusion and ambiguities. Removed unnecessary bolding. Introduction I've been lucid dreaming for many years. My tulpa started being just a lucid dream friend. She was so real, independent, like a separate conscious...

5:34 AM

If someone wants to make another guide like this, it simply gets submitted to be a Guide like all the rest, no sub-board necessary

Have you been paying attention? Ranger is making subcategories for guides, that's what all of this is about

5:36 AM

Or at the very least a list by category to my understanding

Have you been paying attention?

No I have not

5:42 AM

I replied the first thing about foreign language on my phone before getting on my computer today, and then I was replying @ Shield saying lucid dreams aren't interesting experiences, and then I got sucked into talking about lucid dreaming in general before I ever got to go read the initial link, sorry (edited)

If I understand correctly, it would be valuable to have a lucid dreaming section as long as tulpamancy is clearly involved in the guides of that section? (edited)

Luminesce: I haven't read your system guideline yet, so I'm not sure what you're talking about or why you think there should be subsections in the first place (edited)

5:51 AM

Though I'm pretty sure we have exactly one guide on lucid dreaming (and it was so good that it made me decide not to bother writing my own just to restate 95% of what it already said lol)

I have one, and I don't think having general lucid dream guides would be too bad just because other places have them better if we are going to be making subcategories anyways. It would just be more well rounded to have a section for those guides and any future guides.

Reisen

Luminesce: I haven't read your system guideline yet, so I'm not sure what you're talking about or why you think there should be subsections in the first place (edited)

Guide Categories

Submissions are given guide categories to make them easier to find or search for. Guides and Tips & Tricks submissions in the List of Guides(link) are sorted by guide category. As of now, Articles and Resources are not due to the lack of submissions. Additionally, guide categories are also tags the author can add to their submission. The forums have an advanced search feature where you can search for threads based on their tag alone.

When you submit your guide, make sure you say "submitted for ___" or explain what category best fits your guide. If there is disagreement, discussion on where it should go will determine its ultimate placement. Otherwise, a staff member will use their discretion and provide a category.

This forum supports multiple tags, and a guide may fit in more than one category. To address this, guides may have up to three relevant tags including the primary guide category for the List of Guides placement.

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5:57 AM

Here are the following guide categories:

General: Guides that help you through the whole process of creating a tulpa

Personality: For those who wish to create a personality for their tulpa, look no further

Sentience: Getting your tulpa to the point where they seem to act and think on their own, or help getting past the points where you are unsure or worried

Vocality: Tips on how you might be able to hear your tulpa's voice

Forcing: Stuck when actually trying to create your tulpa? These might help

Focus & Concentration: Guides on how to focus properly in the creation process, for those who are having difficulties. Includes meditation techniques.

Narration: Narration touches on how to talk to and with your tulpa, with some tips as to what you might talk about if you have run out of ideas

Visualization: Help in how to improve the mind's eye

Imposition: Learning to sense and hallucinate your tulpa in the real world

Possession: Aiding the tulpa and host to let the tulpa to take control of the body

Switching: Taking possession one step further and allowing the host to completely detach themselves as the tulpa takes full control on their own

Wonderland: Tips that mostly deals with creating or controlling your imaginary mindscape

Misc: Miscellaneous guides and tips that don't fit anywhere else

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6:00 AM

*I'm going to change it so it's up to 3 tags OR one General tag And there are other minor changes I need to make. I'm not bringing back the resources board and I think it's worth mentioning the JDI section will get sorted by category even though those guides won't show up on the guides list (edited)

Luminesce: Oh, that's a previous post, not your recent one (edited)

6:04 AM

I technically replied to that months ago

6:04 AM

-- What exactly are "categories" in the forum context? Sub-boards you'll need to navigate to, or just tags with guides all still dumped into the same place?

The categories affect the forums in two ways:

They determine the guide thread's tags
Guides on the list of guides are sorted by guide category

So if say Bre finally posts her imposition guide, I would add it under the headers "Imposition" and then "Community Guides" (edited)

I really assumed you were talking about sub-boards... That's kind of a lot of hooplah over a simple new thread for categorizing guides, but required now instead of suggested

A long kiss goodnight

Here's the link for viewing the guide list. I dumped the current version of the list into a Google Sheet to make it easier to work with. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17CZOjrqMj134O0H9gMnukPD4cNFN-DmodG-My9ALQes/edit?usp=sharing I also included an example of what I'm trying to do in the next tab. There, I fix the narration section as an example. I have three goals:

Combine everything in Submissions with the other guides
Separate Guides from Tips & Tricks
Preserve alphabetical order

The Articles section will be easier in the sense it just needs to be alphabetized. The Russian guide and the Other category I will fix, that can be ignored. You can help me edit the guide list here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PTXlbqHmKXukAjmIDcZqhbTdrGaSwjtLcytASNXI28A/edit?usp=sharing (edited)

The first link will show you the new guide list once the new system is in place

We did already have a tag search system, after all

6:10 AM

So the dreaming question we definitely didn't get off topic discussing here was just to ask whether Dreaming-related threads should be under Misc or their own Dreaming tag?

Yes, that is the question

Luminesce: As of right now, there is I think one dreaming guide, which simply doesn't require its own section (edited)

6:10 AM

Prime Misc material

6:11 AM

If we got to 3+ dreaming-related guides, I think at that point we could consider giving them their own tag

6:11 AM

(I have NEVER kept up with the Guides section of the forum, so if we're already there, oops)

6:12 AM

It's not like guides being considered "Misc" is a bad thing or something. If anything, Misc guides sound the most interesting to me (edited)

Fair enough. Honestly I haven't counted how many lucid dreaming guides we have either. I know about the one you mentioned, and I know there's a "lucid mode?" Guide for imposition...? But that's not lucid dreaming I think

I have no idea what the contents of that guide are, but lucid is just a word that means clear-thinking

Now I want to go find it

6:15 AM

It's a er... Forcing guide https://community.tulpa.info/topic/3450-octaviapus-guide-to-lucid-mode/

Reisen

@Pleeb The heck are you doing, why is the Reddit link to r/tulpas more prominent on Tulpa.info's main page than the forum?

It's front and center on the top

Luminesce: Right behind "old guides", lol (edited)

6:19 AM

I was thinking in Reddit context which most people probably will, where there's nothing worth clicking at the top but related subreddits/resources are in the righthand column

6:20 AM

I don't like r/tulpas and tulpa.io (is that even real still?) being under "Affiliates" without the forum itself listed first, anyway

6:20 AM

(The international links are great though)

6:21 AM

I feel like the forum needs a non-button link that's more directly visible somewhere on the page

6:22 AM

Well, the FAQ textwall does end with a Q&A link and the GUIDES button to the forum is eye-catching, I suppose

6:23 AM

I would personally have added a forum link in the main body or sidebar somewhere, but I guess I don't want to tell you how to display the main Tulpa.info page if it's how you like it

The subreddit does link to us, looks like .io doesn't anymore though.

6:30 AM

But I could always add Community Forums above the subreddit in the sidebar. I'll need to regenerate the website though, I can add that to my list on the next upgrade.

Pleeb

The subreddit does link to us, looks like .io doesn't anymore though.

Luminesce: Oh wow - I actually had no idea they did that, have they always? (edited)

7:01 AM

I only check the subreddit like once every couple of years

Howdy everyone! The UpVote/Draft system will be set up for testing in the future! Please reply to the thread here if you're interested in participating! https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16757-community-feedback-survey/?do=findComment&comment=388795

Is this that anyone can upvote guides or is it a role based thing like the GAT was

Anyone can upvote guides (once the system is up and running). For the sake of beta testing, what I have in mind is you get a special role for it (edited)

We wouldn't mind, you can apply it to just my account to make it easier

2:37 AM

oh wait, I'll post it in the thread

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